nibot ([personal profile] nibot) wrote2002-02-10 11:30 am

Dreams

I woke up from a dream, feeling well-rested and generally refreshed, with sunshine streaming in through my window onto my face. The sunlight appeared in my dream, as my vision in the dream had become very strange. Horizontal bands of light or something.

I think that being woken up `gently` really helps with the remembering of dreams. I rarely (a small number of times per year) remember my dreams, or even that I had been dreaming. However, a few times this year I remembered my dreams after being woken up by the radio; but these memories were only ephemoral, and faded quickly. The alarm clock is a harsh jolt into reality, involving the piercing noise and a walk across the room. I wonder how difficult it would be to make a home-made EEG (electroencephalograph) to monitor sleep patterns. This could be monitored by a simple device which could produce external stimulus (sound, light) in pursuit of a number of goals: a) wake up optimally so as to remember dreams; b) wake up at the proper point in the sleep cycle so as to feel optimally refreshed; c) investigate lucid dreaming.

When I was much younger, specifically in the third grade, I remembered my dreams vividly, and could usually influence my actions in the dream. This was very exciting not only because the laws of physics did not apply (I could usually fly) but also because my dreams frequently verged on the nightmarish. This phenomenon suddenly disappeared towards the end of grade school and since then I've never really remembered my dreams at all, and I've always wondered why.

Feynmann did some personal `research` on the matter, and his main conclusion was that it is simply necessary to train your memory (by writing down everything you can remember about your dreams when you wake up, for example) in order to (re-)develop the lucid dreaming capacity.

I've talked to my roommate a little about it, and we both have noticed that we tend to remember our dreams a lot more frequently when we're on some kind of vacation from school; somehow the daily stress of school destroys the memory of dreams, but perhaps this is just a result of the sudden-return-to-awakening addressed above. I dunno. It would be fun to make an EEG and investigate the phenomenon quantitatively.

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Re: Electroencephaloscope project

[identity profile] kaolinfire.livejournal.com 2002-02-14 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
> > I have procured a copy of a project to produce an
> > alpha/beta/theta wave EEG machine, it has all the bits and bobs you

cool cool. does it measure the intensity (read: rms power) of the bandpass
filter of each wavelength or something more complicated? :)

> Now to find some components... I think I am going to try building an
> instrumentation amplifier out of three op-amps before I get a real modern
> in-amp. We'll see. I still haven't found myself lab space at this
> university.

Well, I've got lots of spare toys at home. I wish I had a sillyscope but they
cost a bit. Might be worth it, finally... not that I have any room for it,
but I sorta due. When is your stint in Sweden done? :)

> I'd like to suck the data threw a ADC into a computer. I think it would
> make sense in this case to do some lowpass filtering for antialias
> purposes and then do the rest of the signal processing in the PC. Have
> any comments about PC data acquisition?

Hmm. Why do the signal processing in the PC? That's rather slow. I mean,
it's cool to have raw data, but when you can get physics to do the work, you
might as well let it (though we could record separate channels... raw data...
one sort of filter... another...)

Oooh. I just remembered/looked up/noticed that my EE145L book had an EOG lab,
as well as ECG, EMG...

Huh. you know what else I just noticed/remembered? the EE145L book is also
the EE145M book, just depends on whether you're talking the first half or the
second half. =) =) =) as mentioned previously, 145M is the computer data
acquisition part. Today's valentine's and I'm probably unbelievably busy for
the next four days, but I'll see about scanning through it and see what tools
those experimentsuse. looks like it's just doing A/D and D/A through the
parallel port. Parallel ports are cool (conceptually simpler than serial so
long as your data is in bytes)...

there's a good experiment on doing FFTs of the human voice. should be simple
to do a little filtering and have it work on ECG/EEG/EOG ... :)

just a note, I'd prefer to go with 8bit D/AC. just simplifies the project on hell of a lot, unless we're seriously using someone else's craziness for computer interaction.

hmm, notes on your waveform thingamy: I'd recommend makign a Gdk widget. They're cool. As for redrawing/not redrawing... use double buffering and just redraw the new part that's going onto the screen. you might even want to keep an image twice as wide as what you're displaying and keep that updated, so the refresh is a bare minimum.

as for the three electrodes... the ground is attached to the shielding of the two other electrodes (according to my notes, for an EOG but same setup basically).
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Re: Electroencephaloscope project

[identity profile] kaolinfire.livejournal.com 2002-02-27 05:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I posted a note here, in passing, and got interest from [livejournal.com profile] reptilian_lace and [livejournal.com profile] tjernobyl.

Tjernobyl's ultimate goal is to visualize thought with ferrofluid, which I thinks on a number of interests we have, also. :)

maybe we should make a journal just for this project? (I think good idea, so we don't have to keep tracking back to this post).

I haven't had time to look at/play with anything, though I'm looking forward to incorporating the test equipment with wireless stuff. =) oh yeah, I did look at oscilliscopes on ebay a bit. didn't know what I was looking at though. Anyone have recommendations on some high quality low-end oscilloscopes? I'm looking for $300 or under, if possible.
(http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?itemid=23608224)

Re: Electroencephaloscope project

[identity profile] tjernobyl.livejournal.com 2002-03-22 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, we need some sort of DIY EEG community...

Just found eegspectrum (http://eegspectrum.com) today, looks interesting...

Hamfests and other surplus electronics retailers tend to have cheap scopes... though they've never been cheaper new. Radio Shack has handheld LCD scopes, good for getting a rough idea of what's going on anyway...

Bitscope (http://www.bitscope.com/) is an interesting option as well. 100mhz open design scope with computer interface.

Re: Electroencephaloscope project

(Anonymous) 2003-01-14 12:44 am (UTC)(link)
you can count audio frequencies with your soundcard. i once made a capacitance meter with a 555 timer, a speaker, and a microphone plugged in to my soundcard, which was attached to FFT software. you could figure out the capacitance of an unknown capacitor by plugging it in to the 555 circuit, and using the sound card to measure the frequency of the output if you can figure out how to vary capacitance or resistance from your input signal, you could in theory use your puter as an oscilloscope in the audio range of frequecy for a couple bucks. not sure if this translates down in frequency, obviously have to find a different interface than the mic and speaker combo. optoisolators, anyone?
Tom Watts