nibot ([personal profile] nibot) wrote2005-07-13 02:42 am

so they didn't lose it after all

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[identity profile] baseballump.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Finland isn't part of Scandinavia

[identity profile] baseballump.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Scandinavia: Sweden, Norway, Denmark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia

[identity profile] suomifrikki.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
oh, hmm. i stand corrected. i never heard anyone in finland say that they weren't part of Scandinavia, though.

[identity profile] baseballump.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Most people in Sweden, Norway and Denmark don't consider Finland being part of Scandinavia.
There is a reason why Scandinavian Airline is the national carrier for Sweden, Norway and Denmark, but not for Finland.
Many people mix up Scandinavia with the Nordic countries (Sweden, Norway, Denmar, Finland, Iceland)

[identity profile] suomifrikki.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
lonely planet seems to think finland is part of scandinavia:
http://shop.lonelyplanet.com/product_detail.cfm?productID=2662&&

[identity profile] baseballump.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Lonely Planet also thinks that the Hog House in Sydney is a good restaurant...
Lonely planet isn't always right :-)

"The Scandinavian countries are Norway, Sweden and Denmark, which mutually recognize each other as parts of Scandinavia. The collective label 'Scandinavia' reflects the cultural similarity, and the strong historical ties, between these countries despite their political independence"

Since neither Denmark, Sweden nor Norway recognize Finland as part of Scandinavia, Finland isn't part of Scandinavia.

"The usage and meaning of the term outside Scandinavia is somewhat ambiguous:
* Finland and Iceland are sometimes counted as parts of Scandinavia.
* In a German mindset, Norway, Sweden and Finland are usually included, but Denmark is not.
* In a British mindset, Norway, Sweden, and Denmark are usually included, often with the addition of Iceland and Finland.

These alternative meanings are considered incorrect in Scandinavia"

Who would you trust most, the Scandinavian people or Lonely Planet (based in Australia)?

[identity profile] ultraman.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Technically, the Scandavians only have consensus if you take the assumption that Finland isn't part. If Finland were part, then the scandanavians would be split on the issue.

[identity profile] suomifrikki.livejournal.com 2005-07-15 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
actually i was hoping to point out that if lonely planet was looking for someone to write a scandinavia guide book, and they thought that finland was part of it, then they would want someone to write about finland, too. :-) (regardless of the real 'meaning' of 'Scandinavia')

[identity profile] nibot.livejournal.com 2005-07-15 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
I particularly enjoy the similar disagreement on the meaning of "Europe." The British are always saying, "over in Europe..." The Swedes always are, "down there in Europe..." Just about the only countries that don't pass on the moniker of Europe are Germany and France--it would be a little difficult for them to construe themselves as being outside of Europe, while at least the Swedes and the Brits do it all the time; conversely it's a little amusing to see the Turks and even the Israelis vying for EU membership.

[identity profile] suomifrikki.livejournal.com 2005-07-14 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
of course it is!

[identity profile] nibot.livejournal.com 2005-07-15 02:34 am (UTC)(link)
Around here we do consider Finland to be Scandinavian, although if you insist, we will settle on "Nordic." Oddly enough the other Baltic countries are never included, although where Finland goes, Estonia ought to as well.